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Old 09-18-2018, 06:14 PM
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Eating crow from these comments below early in the season...this was prior to John Gruden wheeling and dealing. Perception of Gruden does not match reality.

We don't want the brand of John Gruden just the coach. If he was affordable I'd like to take him for the following reasons.

1) John Gruden knows the West Coast Offense. Bill Walsh developed this offense while coaching under the great Paul Brown. He left to bring the San Francisco 49ers to relevance. Mike Holmgren was his QB coach who eventually became the head coach of the 49ers. John Gruden worked with Holmgren staff which included Andy Reid, Steve Marucci and George Seifert.

2) He's an outstanding teacher and knows how to develop quarterbacks. Rivers career will soon be in the horizon. We need someone to teach his back up how to manage an offense.

3) Great leader and communicator. He makes it fun for the guys.

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We don't want the brand of John Gruden just the coach. If he was affordable I'd like to take him for the following reasons.

1) John Gruden knows the West Coast Offense. Bill Walsh developed this offense while coaching under the great Paul Brown. He left to bring the San Francisco 49ers to relevance. Mike Holmgren was his QB coach who eventually became the head coach of the 49ers. John Gruden worked with Holmgren staff which included Andy Reid, Steve Marucci and George Seifert.

2) He's an outstanding teacher and knows how to develop quarterbacks. Rivers career will soon be in the horizon. We need someone to teach his back up how to manage an offense.

3) Great leader and communicator. He makes it fun for the guys.
I cannot even imagine the fun and joy they are having of being at 0-2 right now...............
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Wow, we really move those goalposts around, don't we?

0-2 is the new 1-1?
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I cannot even imagine the fun and joy they are having of being at 0-2 right now...............

No offense at all... But that is short-sighted linear thinking. Gruden has already proven himself whether you like it or not. Sure it was with an already talented team, but he is still a better coach than Lynn (at this point).


Pointing out that the Raiders are 0-2 right now mean nothing, the same as we are 1-1 big deal.


The REAL discussion should be why we didn't get McVAY!!!



But that doesn't mean Lynn won't end up being great as well...
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No offense at all... But that is short-sighted linear thinking. Gruden has already proven himself whether you like it or not. Sure it was with an already talented team, but he is still a better coach than Lynn (at this point).


Pointing out that the Raiders are 0-2 right now mean nothing, the same as we are 1-1 big deal.


The REAL discussion should be why we didn't get McVAY!!!



But that doesn't mean Lynn won't end up being great as well...
Yes, I remember everyone shouting to get McVay.

I remember it well.
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Old 09-19-2018, 08:07 AM
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No offense at all... But that is short-sighted linear thinking. Gruden has already proven himself whether you like it or not. Sure it was with an already talented team, but he is still a better coach than Lynn (at this point).


Pointing out that the Raiders are 0-2 right now mean nothing, the same as we are 1-1 big deal.


The REAL discussion should be why we didn't get McVAY!!!



But that doesn't mean Lynn won't end up being great as well...
Triple Freak Approved !

I mean, as long as we are losing our minds, lets get down with the sickness.

0-2 is a far far better record than 1-1............consider me signed up with this.
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Old 09-23-2018, 07:37 AM
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Gruden...proven as far as 20 years ago. Highlight being able to prep his Bucs defense on how Gannon will react the week of Super Bowl. He made that trade for him worthwhile on that week alone.

Lynn...on the bubble. Run game is looking similar to his top rated run offense with the Bills the last year he was there. Gotta show me you can win against good teams.

McVay turning out to be a catch of a coach. The interviews highlighting Jared Goff pre-Fisher to now this week speak volumes. They say he's a different player in terms of speed in reading progressions and accuracy. McVay can implement an offense and develop quarterbacks. A young Gruden indeed.

We'll know more about the goal posts by the end of the season.
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No offense at all... But that is short-sighted linear thinking. Gruden has already proven himself whether you like it or not. Sure it was with an already talented team, but he is still a better coach than Lynn (at this point).


Pointing out that the Raiders are 0-2 right now mean nothing, the same as we are 1-1 big deal.


The REAL discussion should be why we didn't get McVAY!!!



But that doesn't mean Lynn won't end up being great as well...
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Gruden...proven as far as 20 years ago. Highlight being able to prep his Bucs defense on how Gannon will react the week of Super Bowl. He made that trade for him worthwhile on that week alone.
In the six seasons that followed 2002 and his inheritance of a Super Bowl-ready squad, Gruden proceeded to go 45-51 over the next 6 seasons.

And then he doesnít coach for 10 yearsu

At this point in time, Gruden is unproven (and an 0-2 unproven), especially given Ian Rapoportís report about divisions in the Raiders scouting division between Grudenís scouts and the other scouts in the organization.
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Old 09-23-2018, 11:01 AM
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Ian's resources are reliable. I didn't know about the dissension. Gruden is making the same mistake other great coaches have made once they are in demand. Wanting to be both GM and Coach.

In his introductory to the media, Gruden stated he hopes to bring a championship back to Oakland within the next couple of years. Letting go of a game changer in Mack was a critical mistake.

One thing he didn't have at Tampa Bay was a franchise quarterback. Carr fits the bill nicely so long as he is healthy. If things don't go as expected as far as a quick turnaround, I see Gruden quitting ala Parcells once the team arrives in Vegas maybe sooner. Will see.
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In the six seasons that followed 2002 and his inheritance of a Super Bowl-ready squad, Gruden proceeded to go 45-51 over the next 6 seasons.

And then he doesnít coach for 10 yearsu

At this point in time, Gruden is unproven (and an 0-2 unproven), especially given Ian Rapoportís report about divisions in the Raiders scouting division between Grudenís scouts and the other scouts in the organization.
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Old 09-23-2018, 11:10 AM
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Ian's resources are reliable. I didn't know about the dissension. Gruden is making the same mistake other great coaches have made once they are in demand. Wanting to be both GM and Coach.

In his introductory to the media, Gruden stated he hopes to bring a championship back to Oakland within the next couple of years. Letting go of a game changer in Mack was a critical mistake.

One thing he didn't have at Tampa Bay was a franchise quarterback. Carr fits the bill nicely so long as he is healthy. If things don't go as expected as far as a quick turnaround, I see Gruden quitting ala Parcells once the team arrives in Vegas maybe sooner. Will see.
He didn't have the prototypical franchise QB, but Brad Johnson was very good. Norv had developed him into a Pro Bowl QB in Washington before Johnson moved onto Tampa after The Daniel got goo goo eyes over Jeff George.

However, Johnson was already 34 years old when Gruden arrived, and Gruden thought he could do better with a QB. Gruden proceeded to churn up young QB's year after year after year, and never got a QB as good as Johnson.
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