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Old 04-29-2018, 09:28 PM
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so where are you playing DJ (if not @the single high.... does Watkins start to start with) ??

and Woodeye's got Kyzir replacing Jatavis.... who are the rest of your back seven ?? 3-4/2-5/1-6 ???

also curious as to how most of you see JJ as read that peoples are calling him our NT and Mebane replacement ??
DJ is Gus's prototypical SS ala Kam Chancellor. Jenkins was drafted to fill that mold originally

I've always had the feeling addae was a stop gap for Gus. Addae is solid but he is too small to cover tightends, they just shield him from the ball.

Watkins has improved his tackling and can play single high. The only knock on Watkins is he's thin and isn't a great tackler in space (kinda like Boston).

I see JJ as a rotational undertackle (with with better rubstopping ability then luiget)right away and honestly think he could become a NT. I think he can bulk up and control gaps(hill was NT because JJ was better suited to pass rush). Anyone can add weight but do u lose quickness and is the strength functional or just for the mirror

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Old 04-29-2018, 10:23 PM
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Certainly, we all had our own favorites. And quite honestly, the Chargers draft looked very different that most (all) of ours. Who knows whether this group turns out. We all hope it does. There's no point in grading it now. Time will be the judge.
Very level-headed response. Nice job.

Obviously teams grade players differently & as it relates to their needs & philosophy. Take a guy like Tim Settle. He may not have even been on the Chargers board because they didn't feel he fit what they were trying to do, so he was never going to be drafted here. On the flip side a guy like Nwosu, who I've heard some moans & groans about on here being drafted too early, seems to be exactly what the Chargers were looking for to fill a need at the OTTO position. The Bolts placed 2nd round value on him & pulled the trigger. Who are we to say it was a poor choice?

I chuckle every time I read/hear someone say "that was a reach". A reach for who? An arm chair GM? A TV analyst who if they were actually really good at what they do, would be part of an NFL team working in the personnel dept. Naw, I'll take the opinion of the guys who put in the miles & miles on the road & in the air and sleep in countless hotel rooms much of the year scouring the planet for football players than can help their team win. They don't always get it right either, but I like their chances much better than the casual observer.
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Old 04-29-2018, 11:06 PM
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DJ is Gus's prototypical SS ala Kam Chancellor. Jenkins was drafted to fill that mold originally

I've always had the feeling addae was a stop gap for Gus. Addae is solid but he is too small to cover tightends, they just shield him from the ball.

Watkins has improved his tackling and can play single high. The only knock on Watkins is he's thin and isn't a great tackler in space (kinda like Boston).

I see JJ as a rotational undertackle (with with better rubstopping ability then luiget)right away and honestly think he could become a NT. I think he can bulk up and control gaps(hill was NT because JJ was better suited to pass rush). Anyone can add weight but do u lose quickness and is the strength functional or just for the mirror
Addae has had his supporters here on CMB. But from the quote above I am wondering if the poster is remembering the timeline correctly (or maybe it is I who has lost a marble or two from age??). Addae was here LOONNGG before Gus B as our DC. I have to admit this draft from #2 pick onward was a complete revelation to me as far as the real Team Strategy Direction. I have not read ANYWHERE the terms of our OC and DC new contracts. I think that is where you will find your real and ultimate answer, Beachcomber.

Now, I had a similar emotional reaction to Beachcomber but at a different point and eventually worked it out for the most part internally. My experience came when I was really really shocked and dismayed by the selection of Nwosu. On Day 3 of the Draft is where it finally came to me what was really going on here. AL and TT are going to let the OC and DC have their say given a lot more weight than in the past so that they are responsible for the offensive and defensive success of the Chargers. To one degree or another, the Special Teams Coordinator is restricted from getting his say because the 46 man roster at gametime really really limits how many ST guys are carried on the 53 man roster. The ST guy has to do the best he can with the 2nd line rotations of the offensive and defensive players among the 46 players dressed for the game to fulfill the team's responsibility to excel on ST plays to try to win at least 2 of the 3 proverbial phases of the game.

So the fact we went 4 defensive picks and then 3 straight offensive picks stood out as confirmational evidence of my hypothesis. My lone remaining trouble or problem is with the particular selection of Nwosu over at least one other alternate candidate for the exact same position/role as intended by Gus Bradley.

I dare any CMB'er to convince me that LB/EDGE Nwosu is a better athlete or fit than the man I wanted for that exact same role/position, Georgia LB Lorenzo Carter. He was selected in the 3rd round, selection #2, #66 overall by the NY Giants. Many on here wanted Harold Landry for this same role and even wanted the #1 pick to be used. I accept that Gus has a different scheme in mind and design. I can accept for that reason that we decided to use our Round #2 selection for that role/position. After all the DJ selection had all but Beachcomber ecstatic on Draft Day 1, myself included!!

DJ is an instant starter and has elite talent and skillset that is comparable to Jalen Ramsey for both flexibility and impact on the defense as a whole. So after that miraculous drop to #17 in no small part due to the selection of VV by Tampa, (and notice that Washington went right to the #2 DT prospect Da'Ron Payne after VV was taken) we were still fortunate to get DJ at 17!!

Thank you, NO, for reaching out of desperation for Davenport and to Oakland for reaching for Kolton Miller!!

Those were the final two lynch pin moves that gave us DJ because Buffalo was not about to select a DB when there was the LB with the highest ceiling of all still on the board.

So after my digression on the DJ pick for Beachcomber's benefit, I would invite any CMB'er to HEELLPP this Loyal CMB'er understand why Nwosu was taken before Carter without mentioning the fact that Nwosu may help with ticket sales because he is from USC. (To me, Winning games and Championships FAR exceeds local affiliation factors when it comes to ticket sales!!)

In case any of you think I am just sour-graping Nwosu, I want to go out of my way to commend the selection of JJ the Northwestern RB because he is EXACTLY Strong where Melvin Gordon is weak, that of vision or slipping through small holes or ducking and twisting to escape and evade the large brutes that are trying to tackle you who weigh 300+ lbs and were not sufficiently blocked by our mediocre OL!!

The superior attribute of our other WR late pick has already been mentioned elsewhere in posts. So I promise this is not about my guy not getting picked. That is normal and I am used to that. I am trying to see via video or highlight something or some attribute in Nwosu that is not already there or even better in Lorenzo Carter!!

Final Note: I know they had higher draft capital but if I could, I would trade all of our 7 picks for all of the 6 picks of the NY Giants!! They nailed RB, QB, OL, DT!!
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Old 04-30-2018, 12:51 AM
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this is for the homiers....

Derwin James * don't think he's gonna make it to EW/Rodneyland, and will be surprised if he becomes a Pro Bowler, let alone an All Pro.... am guessing that if he works out as most hope/are convinced that it is good bye Jahleel after this season, as besides the two of them, we've got Rayshawn and now Kyzir @SS.

Uchenna Nwosu * is he better than Denzel (48), Jerry (50), Te'o (38) and/or Joshua Perry (102).... me thinx and sorry to say but not likely save for the one of 'em.... is he better than Kyle (153) ?? sorry again as.... don't think so, ....(is he @least Korey Toomer good ?)

Justin Jones * is this guy an undertackle or NT or both ?? will surmise that he is the (much) better bet for us than Mebane, but not quite the first round talent that we have in Liuget.... does that mean Corey is sticking around for a bit longer than some (Kyle Posey) of us have suggested/prognosticated ??

Kyzir White * if we didn't already have Rayshawn, and not to mention Jahleel and now James, this guy might make more sense, and.... is he better than Jatavis.... my guess is not so fast Gus, and/or.... is he better than Dzubnar.... well prolly, but how necessary was this pick and is he the guy to turn our run D around and/or fill in whatever Gus felt he was/is lacking given the "poor diagnostics" or something of the such, of Brown's ??

Scott Quessenberry * is he better than Spencer Pulley.... not even close me thinx..... better than Donovan Clark.... perhaps, and but again what purpose does it serve to bring this guy on ?? who is he replacing/displacing ??

Dylan Cantrell * is he better than Dontrelle.... my guess is he's short by about a country mile.... Geremy Davis or fill in the blank ?? and.... am gonna be surprised if there's not an UDFA/second year wideout that gives him a run for his money, let alone have a real chance of beating him out for a roster spot.

Justin Jones * is he Brandon Oliver good or better ?? is he better than UDFA Austin Ekeler ?? how 'bout Marion Grice.... (how 'bout 2 outta 3)

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Addae: I am always amazed at the ones that knock Addae on here. You can clearly see Bradley got to him, and coached him up. "If you are good enough to get there and kill 5 people on one play, then you are good enough to just make the play. You will extend your career, and the careers of 21 other people on the field." I am salivating over James and Addae playing together, as Boston was far and away the weak link. Addae was a team leader in on 96 tackles, and its not even close the people behind him on that stat. Yeah,,,,,,Lynn and Bradley are pulling THAT off the field. Uh huh.

The beauty of Addae is that I don't have to get frustrated with you guys. The Chargers staff loves him, and he is a starting safety for us. Straight up deal with it.
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Old 04-30-2018, 11:37 AM
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Addae is a starting safety for us. Straight up deal with it.
gotta admit am not sure how things are going to distill/pan out back in our secondary.

we've got Jahleel @SS, Jaylen @FS, Jason and Casey on the corners, Desmond in the slot, Kyzir (replacing ?) Jatavis @WILL, and for the dime (think we should change the coverage name to pick six when 1-6) pkg we've still got Trevor, Rayshawn and AP.... where do you put DJ in that mix, and presuming you want him to start ??

how does everything fall together/into place ??
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this is for the homiers....

Derwin James * don't think he's gonna make it to EW/Rodneyland, and will be surprised if he becomes a Pro Bowler, let alone an All Pro.... am guessing that if he works out as most hope/are convinced that it is good bye Jahleel after this season, as besides the two of them, we've got Rayshawn and now Kyzir @SS.

Uchenna Nwosu * is he better than Denzel (48), Jerry (50), Te'o (38) and/or Joshua Perry (102).... me thinx and sorry to say but not likely save for the one of 'em.... is he better than Kyle (153) ?? sorry again as.... don't think so, ....(is he @least Korey Toomer good ?)

Justin Jones * is this guy an undertackle or NT or both ?? will surmise that he is the (much) better bet for us than Mebane, but not quite the first round talent that we have in Liuget.... does that mean Corey is sticking around for a bit longer than some (Kyle Posey) of us have suggested/prognosticated ??

Kyzir White * if we didn't already have Rayshawn, and not to mention Jahleel and now James, this guy might make more sense, and.... is he better than Jatavis.... my guess is not so fast Gus, and/or.... is he better than Dzubnar.... well prolly, but how necessary was this pick and is he the guy to turn our run D around and/or fill in whatever Gus felt he was/is lacking given the "poor diagnostics" or something of the such, of Brown's ??

Scott Quessenberry * is he better than Spencer Pulley.... not even close me thinx..... better than Donovan Clark.... perhaps, and but again what purpose does it serve to bring this guy on ?? who is he replacing/displacing ??

Dylan Cantrell * is he better than Dontrelle.... my guess is he's short by about a country mile.... Geremy Davis or fill in the blank ?? and.... am gonna be surprised if there's not an UDFA/second year wideout that gives him a run for his money, let alone have a real chance of beating him out for a roster spot.

Justin Jones * is he Brandon Oliver good or better ?? is he better than UDFA Austin Ekeler ?? how 'bout Marion Grice.... (how 'bout 2 outta 3)
i think i disagreed with you on practically every point you made.

We know Emmanuel is a big liability in coverage, nor can effectively rush the passer. Are you sure he's a better otto than Nwosu?

White will be a will linebacker: he won't compete with Rayshawn.

Justin Jackson is different from Ekeler, he'll be utilized differently.

Cantrell will be an hback. Why compare him to Inman?

Comparisons pointless right now.
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Addae: I am always amazed at the ones that knock Addae on here. You can clearly see Bradley got to him, and coached him up. "If you are good enough to get there and kill 5 people on one play, then you are good enough to just make the play. You will extend your career, and the careers of 21 other people on the field." I am salivating over James and Addae playing together, as Boston was far and away the weak link. Addae was a team leader in on 96 tackles, and its not even close the people behind him on that stat. Yeah,,,,,,Lynn and Bradley are pulling THAT off the field. Uh huh.

The beauty of Addae is that I don't have to get frustrated with you guys. The Chargers staff loves him, and he is a starting safety for us. Straight up deal with it.
Addae goes next year. Rayshawn replaces him & his contract.
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this is for the homiers....

Derwin James * don't think he's gonna make it to EW/Rodneyland, and will be surprised if he becomes a Pro Bowler, let alone an All Pro.... am guessing that if he works out as most hope/are convinced that it is good bye Jahleel after this season, as besides the two of them, we've got Rayshawn and now Kyzir @SS.

Uchenna Nwosu * is he better than Denzel (48), Jerry (50), Te'o (38) and/or Joshua Perry (102).... me thinx and sorry to say but not likely save for the one of 'em.... is he better than Kyle (153) ?? sorry again as.... don't think so, ....(is he @least Korey Toomer good ?)

Justin Jones * is this guy an undertackle or NT or both ?? will surmise that he is the (much) better bet for us than Mebane, but not quite the first round talent that we have in Liuget.... does that mean Corey is sticking around for a bit longer than some (Kyle Posey) of us have suggested/prognosticated ??

Kyzir White * if we didn't already have Rayshawn, and not to mention Jahleel and now James, this guy might make more sense, and.... is he better than Jatavis.... my guess is not so fast Gus, and/or.... is he better than Dzubnar.... well prolly, but how necessary was this pick and is he the guy to turn our run D around and/or fill in whatever Gus felt he was/is lacking given the "poor diagnostics" or something of the such, of Brown's ??

Scott Quessenberry * is he better than Spencer Pulley.... not even close me thinx..... better than Donovan Clark.... perhaps, and but again what purpose does it serve to bring this guy on ?? who is he replacing/displacing ??

Dylan Cantrell * is he better than Dontrelle.... my guess is he's short by about a country mile.... Geremy Davis or fill in the blank ?? and.... am gonna be surprised if there's not an UDFA/second year wideout that gives him a run for his money, let alone have a real chance of beating him out for a roster spot.

Justin Jones * is he Brandon Oliver good or better ?? is he better than UDFA Austin Ekeler ?? how 'bout Marion Grice.... (how 'bout 2 outta 3)

A)Derwin doesn't need to reach rodneyland to be a good pick. Most ppl believe he was a steal in the first round. Also, he is athletic and versatile. Something modern defenses value. If your a specialist in todays NFL, you are a wave of the past(there are some exceptions to this).

B)Uchenna Nwosu- Why are you comparing him to Denzel? He's not a middle linebacker. Since he plays the Edge/OTTO, you can fairly compare him to Kyle Emmanuel. See my comment above. If your only good at one thing, you are the past(Kyle can set the edge, and everywhere else he's a liability). Uchenna bats balls down(Kyle doesn't), Uchenna effectively rushes the passer(Kyle doesn't), Uchenna can set the edge(Kyle is better), and Uchenna can drop into coverage(Bye bye Kyle).

C) Is a third round pick expected to be better than a first round pick? If not, is being a situational rusher a failure? I liked Harrison Philips better, but Jones is more versatile.

D) Kyzir White- He's versatile, which means he can stay on the field longer. He can drop as a safety with his speed, but he'll be a good WLB with drop back versatility. Jatavis can run, but his coverage is mediocre, and he's a couple inches shorter(plus, I hear he's put on weight so he's moving to MLB). Jahleel is okay, but more of a stop gap.

E) Scott Q- He's Depth. His expectation is to make the roster as depth. No one is expecting him to take a starting spot.

F)Dylan Cantrell- Who cares, he's a sixth round pick.

G)Jackson- He's a seventh round pick. If he makes the roster, its a bonus. Your pretty much guessing on this round. Heard he has good vision and wiggle. Who cares. 6th and 7th round picks are just as valuable as UDFA's to me.
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