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Old 05-13-2018, 02:46 PM
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Nick Foles just won a champion. While Dan Fouts, Dan Marino, and Jim Kelly never have. Think about that for a moment. QBs get way too much credit for championships and way too much criticism for not winning one. It's why I love football so much. It is the ultimate team sport. Sure a franchise QB is probably the most important piece, but you still need the right coaches and the right supporting cast. As well as a lot of luck.
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Old 05-14-2018, 12:40 AM
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Worse than Foles, who I think rose to the occasion and played really well, is the QB for Baltimore several years back. Forgot his name but talk about not screwing the pooch and just letting your D win the game for you. But as an analyst I love his insight.
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Old 05-14-2018, 01:29 AM
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Trent Dilfer is who you are thinking of (not Flacco I assume).

I think all 3 will make it with the yardage they have thrown for.

It's amazing that Rivers has more and sat his first 2 years whereas the other 2 played those 2 years.

I remember that draft wanting Big Ben badly, I never heard of Rivers.

If the Steelers had Rivers I believe Rivers would have at least 2 rings right now.

I am very happy we got the good family man and fierce competitor in Rivers than the 2 time accused rapist.
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Old 05-14-2018, 04:34 AM
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Trent Dilfer is who you are thinking of (not Flacco I assume).

I think all 3 will make it with the yardage they have thrown for.

It's amazing that Rivers has more and sat his first 2 years whereas the other 2 played those 2 years.

I remember that draft wanting Big Ben badly, I never heard of Rivers.

If the Steelers had Rivers I believe Rivers would have at least 2 rings right now.

I am very happy we got the good family man and fierce competitor in Rivers than the 2 time accused rapist.
Its my understanding that Pitt wanted Rivers. The Giants wanted Eli and AJ Smith said we will trade him, but only if you draft Rivers. That's how Pitt ended up with Ben.

AJ basically filled out the Giants draft card. It has been discussed "What if AJ had nixed the trade deal ?" But that is a major major no-no in GM world. No one would have anything to do with AJ if he did that.
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Its my understanding that Pitt wanted Rivers. The Giants wanted Eli and AJ Smith said we will trade him, but only if you draft Rivers. That's how Pitt ended up with Ben.

AJ basically filled out the Giants draft card. It has been discussed "What if AJ had nixed the trade deal ?" But that is a major major no-no in GM world. No one would have anything to do with AJ if he did that.
What I remember is that AJ was holding out on the Giants to extract more from the trade than the Giants were willing to give up (both before the draft and while the Chargers were on the clock). AJ called the bluff, so the Giants ended up giving what the Chargers were demanding and had to deal with paying Eli a #1 pick in the draft contract while only having #4 pick rookie pool cap space to sign him. Of course, that came back to bite the Chargers in the butt when PRís agent began demanding higher than #4 slot money due to the fact that the Chargers owned the #1 slot in the rookie pool.

I donít know how / why they would have (or could have) reneged on the Giants deal when it wasnít reached until the Giants were on the clock at pick #4.

Bottom line was the 2004 & 2005 drafts set up the Chargers success over the next half decade. Unfortunately, AJís future drafts never came close to duplicating those two, so the Chargers suffered a talent drain for the rest of AJís tenure.
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Old 05-14-2018, 11:21 AM
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Drafting well is certainly the key to winning long term.
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What I remember is that AJ was holding out on the Giants to extract more from the trade than the Giants were willing to give up (both before the draft and while the Chargers were on the clock). AJ called the bluff, so the Giants ended up giving what the Chargers were demanding and had to deal with paying Eli a #1 pick in the draft contract while only having #4 pick rookie pool cap space to sign him. Of course, that came back to bite the Chargers in the butt when PRís agent began demanding higher than #4 slot money due to the fact that the Chargers owned the #1 slot in the rookie pool.

I donít know how / why they would have (or could have) reneged on the Giants deal when it wasnít reached until the Giants were on the clock at pick #4.

Bottom line was the 2004 & 2005 drafts set up the Chargers success over the next half decade. Unfortunately, AJís future drafts never came close to duplicating those two, so the Chargers suffered a talent drain for the rest of AJís tenure.
2004 and 2005 brought them enough talents to stay on top of the AFC West and pretty much branded them the most talented squad in the AFC for nearly 6 years. Next to impossible to duplicate that kind of success. 2006 brought in Cromartie, Marcus McNeil, Dobbins and Jeromey Clary (not bad if you ask me). 2007 brought in Weddle who was easily a top 10 players in the entire draft yet he was drafted in round 2.
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Old 05-14-2018, 02:44 PM
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Yes it was Trent Dilfer. Thx CB. Just goes to show that as a QB you may win SBs on the coattails of other team members as long as you dont screw the pooch. NO ONE would argue that Trent Dilfer is even in the same stratosphere as Rivers. But I like his insight, and he seems to love Rivers as well IIRC.
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A.J. held the cards and made the call to the Giants GM offering Sheli only if they drafted Rivers and next years number 1 pick which became Shawn Merriman. Brilliant to bring the deal to them vs. just drafting Rivers. Not sure what caused A.J. to make the move most likely Sheli and Dad making a stink at not wanting to go to San Diego.

Regarding A.J's draft a recent poll had CMB's voting for TT as the better talent evaluator. I disagree. In addition to the players mentioned, we got Darren Sproles and Michael Turner in the mid rounds 4th and 5th respectively. TT hasn't been able to find a kick turner to this day. Benjamin been a disappointment and Jacoby Jones was an embarrassment. It wasn't until this past draft where TT starting hitting on picks Desmond King in the 5th round.

Still A.J. is a better assessor in spite of his experience vs. TT's 5 years as the Chargers GM.

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2004 and 2005 brought them enough talents to stay on top of the AFC West and pretty much branded them the most talented squad in the AFC for nearly 6 years. Next to impossible to duplicate that kind of success. 2006 brought in Cromartie, Marcus McNeil, Dobbins and Jeromey Clary (not bad if you ask me). 2007 brought in Weddle who was easily a top 10 players in the entire draft yet he was drafted in round 2.

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A.J. held the cards and made the call to the Giants GM offering Sheli only if they drafted Rivers and next years number 1 pick which became Shawn Merriman. Brilliant to bring the deal to them vs. just drafting Rivers. Not sure what caused A.J. to make the move most likely Sheli and Dad making a stink at not wanting to go to San Diego.

Regarding A.J's draft a recent poll had CMB's voting for TT as the better talent evaluator. I disagree. In addition to the players mentioned, we got Darren Sproles and Michael Turner in the mid rounds 4th and 5th respectively. TT hasn't been able to find a kick turner to this day. Benjamin been a disappointment and Jacoby Jones was an embarrassment. It wasn't until this past draft where TT starting hitting on picks Desmond King in the 5th round.

Still A.J. is a better assessor in spite of his experience vs. TT's 5 years as the Chargers GM.
I think AJ was still working off John Butlerís advanced board.
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