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Old 08-06-2018, 07:05 AM
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Really? I think if anything he has the least amount of upside. Geno showed in limited action since leaving the Jets to be a decent QB aka he's improved and is probably still improving. It was never an issue with physical tools for him it's always been between the ears.



And Cardale was a project when drafted so getting to sit behind #17 for a few years probably gives him the best chance he was ever going to have at being a serviceable NFL QB. Definitely has more upside then Shimonek. Shimonek might have a bit of upside but I never saw him as an NFL player. It's coming as no surprise to me he's going to be PS at absolute best, not that I don't wish the guy well.
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Old 08-06-2018, 11:10 AM
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Judging by this latest article, Nic Shimonek doesn't even get consideration as a candidate for backup QB:

Chargers Coaching Staff Details the Backup QB Competition

For the first time since 2014, the Chargers backup quarterback spot is up for grabs. The departure of Kellen Clemens leaves Cardale Jones or Geno Smith to nab the job for the taking.

According to Chargers Head Coach Anthony Lynn and Offensive Coordinator Ken Whisenhunt, the competition is still wide open. After all, it’s still early in training camp.

The real test begins Week 1 of the preseason.
“It’s been pretty even to be honest with you,” Lynn said. “I’ve been watching that position all summer and all spring. Those guys are so neck-and-neck. The only things that are going to separate them is what they do in games, so once we get into the preseason, we’ll see who moves the ball down the field.”

“No, (we don’t know who the backup quarterback is yet),” Whisenhunt mentioned. “I don’t think so. Everybody wants to do that really quickly, but we’re (about) one week in. We have had a spring with these guys, but the real test will come in the preseason games because that’s when you’re out there and you get a chance to see how they can handle it. Let me tell you, in preseason games, you never know what’s going to happen. You don’t know who you’re playing with after you get past the first group. You never know what the matchups are going to be like, so you find a lot about those guys, how they handle those situations and how they can manage some of the players. I think that’s where you really find out about a lot.”

After joining the Chargers shortly before training camp in 2017, Cardale Jones enters this Chargers Camp with a full year in the Bolts’ system. Geno Smith, however, is a new kid on the block, joining the Bolts this past April. But though they come from different paths, Whiz says he’s seen a major similarity between the two.

“I see two guys that are competing,” he added. “They both want (the backup spot). The way they prepare and the way they’re competing is what you like to see because, really, it makes both of them better. I don’t think either one of them feels comfortable and that’s a good thing. If you’re uncomfortable, you can have real growth because you’re working every day to try to get better because you don’t feel like you can have a down day. It’s good for us because both of these guys are competing and getting better, and that’s going to help us.”

While the remainder of August will determine where these QBs stand, Whiz said he’s seen improvement from Jones based on what he did last year. What’s one thing he’s been working on? Becoming more of a pocket passer and not using his legs as much as he did when he was playing in college.
Chances are that skillset will be on display when the Bolts take on the Cardinals next week.

“I think where he has done really well, is understanding how to move in the pocket and be able to make throws down the field. A lot of times, in college, when you come from where he did, he was so big and so athletic that if the first guy wasn’t there, sometimes you’d see him run. I have vivid memories of him in the championship game running down the field and making plays. He can still do that, but I think now you’re seeing him move to the left, move to the right and make some throws down the field. Those are the things that you like seeing out of a young quarterback.”

https://www.chargers.com/news/charge...qb-competition
Not sure why this is surprising... he was a long shot from the start but this tells me he hasn't been impressive in TC. Maybe he turns it around in pre-season but he has a huge mountain to climb.
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Old 08-08-2018, 08:11 AM
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I think we'll see both Cardale and Geno get reps with the second string in preseason games. Unless Geno or Cardale wows on the field in preseason, I think this comes down to who adds something to the QB room. The guys that have been the QB2 behind Rivers have been there because they help in the QB room, not because they might succeed Rivers someday. I assume as a five year veteran who is working under his fourth nfl coaching staff, Geno has the leg up here (though who knows, all that change could mean his brain is scrampled). I get the impression that Cardale is with the Chargers because of his year with Anthony Lynn in Buffalo , so I'm not sure if Lynn is hoping he wins the job (I realize Anthony Lynn was Assistant Head Coach when Geno was drafted by the Jets).

I wonder if Cardale is eligible for the practice squad? He's played in one game in two years, though I believe the cut off is not based on actual playing time but being on the 46 man active roster for games. If he is, it may a horse race with Shimonek for that spot instead. I mean if you lose out to the backup job to Geno Smith, is another team really going to pick him up?
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Shimonek was never in.

Yup, he was brought in to be a training camp arm. His odds of making the team were very poor.





The only question is Geno or Cardale?
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Old 08-08-2018, 08:55 AM
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Not sure why this is surprising... he was a long shot from the start but this tells me he hasn't been impressive in TC. Maybe he turns it around in pre-season but he has a huge mountain to climb.
Since a lot of people have been down on Jones and Smith both, I would have thought Lynn would have at least mentioned Shimmy in the conversation...I guess not...camp arm, PS, then possible poach...Interesting how people complain about how bad Smith & Jones are, but aren't open to at least looking at a new candidate for backup or #3 QB...
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I've been to two training camp practices so far.

Geno Smith is the clear #2 QB imo.

I would love to see more Shimonek. In practice he appears to have great touch and reads on his throws. Shimonek has been far better than Jones. Jones is wildly inconsistent with his throws, which I don't know if that can be coached out of him. I feel Shimonek won't get a fair shot at being the #3 because our coaching staff is set on Jones for whatever reason. Multiple times in each practice I saw Jones rocket easy throws over receivers heads, then on the next throw make an amazing deep pass. Each practice I also saw Shimonek hit his receivers perfectly on most throws but he suffers from dealing with 4th string WRs dropping balls.

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I've been to two training camp practices so far.

Geno Smith is the clear #2 QB imo.

I would love to see more Shimonek. In practice he appears to have great touch and reads on his throws. Shimonek has been far better than Jones. Jones is wildly inconsistent with his throws, which I don't know if that can be coached out of him. I feel Shimonek won't get a fair shot at being the #3 because our coaching staff is set on Jones for whatever reason. Multiple times in each practice I saw Jones rocket easy throws over receivers heads, then on the next throw make an amazing deep pass. Each practice I also saw Shimonek hit his receivers perfectly on most throws but he suffers from dealing with 4th string WRs dropping balls.

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I think the Bolts roll with only 2 QB's, as they will want that 3rd qb slot for another position, with Smith the likely BU. Both Smith and Jones have serious issue, neither will ever be a true starter, but Jones is worse than Smith. Shimonek was/is camp arm that might do enough to go to PS, otherwise TT gets another QB for the PS arm. I do not believe Jones is eligible for PS.
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I've been to two training camp practices so far.

Geno Smith is the clear #2 QB imo.

I would love to see more Shimonek. In practice he appears to have great touch and reads on his throws. Shimonek has been far better than Jones. Jones is wildly inconsistent with his throws, which I don't know if that can be coached out of him. I feel Shimonek won't get a fair shot at being the #3 because our coaching staff is set on Jones for whatever reason. Multiple times in each practice I saw Jones rocket easy throws over receivers heads, then on the next throw make an amazing deep pass. Each practice I also saw Shimonek hit his receivers perfectly on most throws but he suffers from dealing with 4th string WRs dropping balls.

#GiveShimonekAShot!
Thanks for the update, Bolt! So, even after a full year of being with the Bolts, Jones is still that inconsistent. So, by your analysis, Smith is the backup, and going by ability, Shimmy would be #3 if they based it on performance AND carried 3 qb's, but they probably won't, so looks like they cut Jones and try to stash Shimmy on the PS...
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I think the Bolts roll with only 2 QB's, as they will want that 3rd qb slot for another position, with Smith the likely BU. Both Smith and Jones have serious issue, neither will ever be a true starter, but Jones is worse than Smith. Shimonek was/is camp arm that might do enough to go to PS, otherwise TT gets another QB for the PS arm. I do not believe Jones is eligible for PS.
I would prefer Shimonek on the practice squad. At some point, you can't teach touch on a pass anymore imo.

Watching Geno, I would trust him for a game or two if Rivers pulled a hammy to at least keep us in the game with our defense. I feel we would stand no chance to win with Jones at all.
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Thanks for the update, Bolt! So, even after a full year of being with the Bolts, Jones is still that inconsistent. So, by your analysis, Smith is the backup, and going by ability, Shimmy would be #3 if they based it on performance AND carried 3 qb's, but they probably won't, so looks like they cut Jones and try to stash Shimmy on the PS...
Yep. Good summary. Although I believe they will stash Jones because he hasn't started enough games, right? I'm not 100% sure on the rules. Shimmy deserves some #3 time this pre-season but probably won't get it.
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