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Old 01-22-2019, 11:50 PM
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For all you SD county natives, wondering if this is true:

https://www.10news.com/news/a-histor...-a-new-stadium

Feel free to chime in, as I'm sure this tells more of the story for those who didn't know, but probably not all of it for those who've studied the situation inside-out.
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Old 01-23-2019, 01:23 AM
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Come on now, in the interest of fair and unbiased reporting, we need to similarly put together an organized, historical timeline of the city's positive efforts towards new stadium development

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There that's better.
Well done.

Amazing what the systematic dumbing down of a populace can allow a bunch of dirty politicians to sell ...

SD, including in a big way Mayor Faulconer, killed any Chargers initiatives intentionally. Those Hotels, based out of Chicago, get to run the whole show. And if anyone thinks they give a crap about what’s best for the people of SD, well ... think again
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Old 01-29-2019, 08:39 PM
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Come on now, in the interest of fair and unbiased reporting, we need to similarly put together an organized, historical timeline of the city's positive efforts towards new stadium development

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There that's better.
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Well done.

Amazing what the systematic dumbing down of a populace can allow a bunch of dirty politicians to sell ...

SD, including in a big way Mayor Faulconer, killed any Chargers initiatives intentionally. Those Hotels, based out of Chicago, get to run the whole show. And if anyone thinks they give a crap about what’s best for the people of SD, well ... think again
But Spanos didn't try hard enough in the 15 years he was negotiating for a new stadium to be built!

He purposely sabotaged the following proposals:

Mission Valley, National City, Chula Vista, Oceanside, DTSD, Oceanside again, Escondido, downtown, the marine terminal, and downtown again

Because he really wanted to move to L.A. 15 years ago.
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But Spanos didn't try hard enough in the 15 years he was negotiating for a new stadium to be built!

He purposely sabotaged the following proposals:

Mission Valley, National City, Chula Vista, Oceanside, DTSD, Oceanside again, Escondido, downtown, the marine terminal, and downtown again

Because he really wanted to move to L.A. 15 years ago.
That joke offer by the city counsil wasn't helping either.
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Old 01-30-2019, 06:56 AM
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But Spanos didn't try hard enough in the 15 years he was negotiating for a new stadium to be built!

He purposely sabotaged the following proposals:

Mission Valley, National City, Chula Vista, Oceanside, DTSD, Oceanside again, Escondido, downtown, the marine terminal, and downtown again

Because he really wanted to move to L.A. 15 years ago.
disingenuous.

He sucked at being a good businessman to capture the SD and LA markets when he had them both there for the taking. I don't think he wanted LA at all. Was SD committed. It was when it was too late, he realized he should have marketed in LA. Both because of the threat of two LA teams, and because SD wasn't going to give him everything he felt he needed or deserved. The only place he shot down was Mission Valley. The other places all wouldn't or couldn't built it.
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Pretty much sums it up. I have family who resides in Chula Vista. At the time they we're talking building a stadium at the end of J St. near an electric power plant. It was not conducive to fans traveling that far south just off the 5 fwy. The City of CV had a not in my backyard mentality at the time...with the traffic and crowds.

Mission Valley made complete sense near hotels and a major university with a main line of the Trolley connected as far east to Santee to West of Ocean Beach to south of Chula Vista and now in the near future north to La Jolla. Other cities build new stadiums by imploding the old structure and building on top of the foundation (Seattle) to save money. Not savvy or resourceful enough in the process...it's all history now.
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disingenuous.

He sucked at being a good businessman to capture the SD and LA markets when he had them both there for the taking. I don't think he wanted LA at all. Was SD committed. It was when it was too late, he realized he should have marketed in LA. Both because of the threat of two LA teams, and because SD wasn't going to give him everything he felt he needed or deserved. The only place he shot down was Mission Valley. The other places all wouldn't or couldn't built it.
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Pretty much sums it up. I have family who resides in Chula Vista. At the time they we're talking building a stadium at the end of J St. near an electric power plant. It was not conducive to fans traveling that far south just off the 5 fwy. The City of CV had a not in my backyard mentality at the time...with the traffic and crowds.

Mission Valley made complete sense near hotels and a major university with a main line of the Trolley connected as far east to Santee to West of Ocean Beach to south of Chula Vista and now in the near future north to La Jolla. Other cities build new stadiums by imploding the old structure and building on top of the foundation (Seattle) to save money. Not savvy or resourceful enough in the process...it's all history now.
The power plant was a hurdle as was the environmental impact studies. Trolly was there, but would have needed expansion.
It would of hurt the fans from OC for sure.
I felt oceanside, or the former El Toro air base would of been the best places
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disingenuous.

He sucked at being a good businessman to capture the SD and LA markets when he had them both there for the taking. I don't think he wanted LA at all. Was SD committed. It was when it was too late, he realized he should have marketed in LA. Both because of the threat of two LA teams, and because SD wasn't going to give him everything he felt he needed or deserved. The only place he shot down was Mission Valley. The other places all wouldn't or couldn't built it.
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Pretty much sums it up. I have family who resides in Chula Vista. At the time they we're talking building a stadium at the end of J St. near an electric power plant. It was not conducive to fans traveling that far south just off the 5 fwy. The City of CV had a not in my backyard mentality at the time...with the traffic and crowds.

Mission Valley made complete sense near hotels and a major university with a main line of the Trolley connected as far east to Santee to West of Ocean Beach to south of Chula Vista and now in the near future north to La Jolla. Other cities build new stadiums by imploding the old structure and building on top of the foundation (Seattle) to save money. Not savvy or resourceful enough in the process...it's all history now.

Only place he shot down was the only viable option. What does that tell you? Fabiani was focused on LA for years. He was talking to AEG about their DTLA stadium back in 2010 or 2011. Fabiani was convinced that SD could not support the luxury box revenue and PSL prices that would have been required to make sense in SD.



Spanos had some activity without achievement in SD. Looked at sites around the county none of which had a viable plan for actually building a stadium because Spanos doesn't have the money to do it and couldn't get the financing (according to Fabiani).
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Only place he shot down was the only viable option. What does that tell you? Fabiani was focused on LA for years. He was talking to AEG about their DTLA stadium back in 2010 or 2011. Fabiani was convinced that SD could not support the luxury box revenue and PSL prices that would have been required to make sense in SD.



Spanos had some activity without achievement in SD. Looked at sites around the county none of which had a viable plan for actually building a stadium because Spanos doesn't have the money to do it and couldn't get the financing (according to Fabiani).
I dont think my theory conflicts with that. BY 2010 they had plenty of years to draw OC and LA fans. Didn't start until he figured out the later points you made IMO.
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