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Old 01-20-2019, 03:34 AM
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It's been done before by two teams within the AFC West. Wild Cards teams that made a run and won a Super Bowl:

1980 Raiders
1997 Broncos
2000 Ravens
2005 Steelers
2007 Giants
2010 Packers

You know that the Ravens, Steelers, Giants and Packers aren't teams that are on Pacific Standard Time, right? So 1:00 EST is not 10:00 am on their circadian clocks. Yes?

You also know that the travel back and forth for those East Coast games -- for the CHARGERS -- was over 8,000 miles (NOT counting the return trip after the NE game).

And that the 2000 Ravens had a home game first round, then went to Tennessee next (nowhere near the same travel), 2005 Steelers went to Cinci then Indi (nowhere near the same travel), 2007 Giants went to TB then Dallas (3800 miles to get them to the Divisional game -- at least that's almost HALF as much as the Bolts just faced); and Packers went to Philly then Atlanta -- far less than half as much travel).

In other words, those 4 teams / experiences are completely and totally irrelevant to the question at hand.
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Old 01-20-2019, 03:36 AM
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It's been done before by two teams within the AFC West. Wild Cards teams that made a run and won a Super Bowl:

1980 Raiders
1997 Broncos
2000 Ravens
2005 Steelers
2007 Giants
2010 Packers


We got our butts kicked. To blame the time when we had a stellar record going in is making excuses. Rest up...recover and renew. The core of the team will be back in 19.
There have been over 200 wildcard teams in the Superbowl era.
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Old 01-20-2019, 03:36 AM
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Did the two AFC West teams you cite actually play back to back 1 p.m. ET playoff games that year as wild cards and go on to win a Super Bowl? That makes a big difference.

Winning one 1 p.m. ET playoff game is doable even though the statistics mentioned in John Breech's article make it clear that there is a definitive disadvantage to West Coast teams playing in that time slot. The Chargers and Seahawks managed to win one game each. The real issue is winning two 1 p.m. ET playoff games in consecutive weeks. That is the real crux of my comments.

The other question that is raised is this: was the 1 p.m. ET time slot the determining factor last Sunday? Obviously no one can say for certain. There are valid arguments concerning coaching decisions and execution issues that factor into the loss.

The Chargers could have easily lost last Sunday's game with the other factors mentioned even with a 4 p.m. ET start. I will still contend that the first half would likely have been somewhat more competitive with a later start based on the evidence laid out in Breech's article.
And here's where two of LTInABottle's examples MAY have been legitimate (because unlike the others described immediately above, at least these teams were on West Coast Time (TradeMark) and had to travel to the East Coast. So, when were their start times? . . . . .
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And here's where two of LTInABottle's examples MAY have been legitimate (because unlike the others described immediately above, at least these teams were on West Coast Time (TradeMark) and had to travel. Or did they? And if so, was it to the East Coast? And, most pertinently, did either of them have back to back 10:00 am local time start times? . . . . .
Oakland? No -- not even close. They had a home game first round. Then Cleveland. Then San Diego.
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1997 Broncos:

Home game first round.

KC second round (right down the street).
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It's been done before by two teams within the AFC West. Wild Cards teams that made a run and won a Super Bowl:

1980 Raiders
1997 Broncos
2000 Ravens
2005 Steelers
2007 Giants
2010 Packers

We got our butts kicked. To blame the time when we had a stellar record going in is making excuses. Rest up...recover and renew. The core of the team will be back in 19.
So to summarize the posts I put above, LTinabottle -- your post is completely and totally off base, unfounded, and irrelevant.

Not ONE of those teams had a single 10:00 am start to start their playoff runs. And not ONE of those teams had near the travel the Bolts did, either.

I repeat -- there is no reason the NFL had to give the Chargers such terrible time slots. I am at least grateful that even some of the East Coast sports pundits raised this issue. Including even the first time (the Baltimore game). Was it the difference? Who knows? But playing on a level playing field would have been nice . . . .
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Correct as Longtime mentioned. Broncos we're home for the WildCard, same time zone in KC, at Pittsburgh for AFC Championship then of all places in SD for the SuperBowl.

That was two decades ago. Consideration of scheduling would of been nice back to back East coast times...you figure they take this into consideration overtime. Lynn went over this with his players commended them for it during the road streak...did it catch up to them? Maybe so...they won't use it as an excuse.
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And here's where two of LTInABottle's examples MAY have been legitimate (because unlike the others described immediately above, at least these teams were on West Coast Time (TradeMark) and had to travel to the East Coast. So, when were their start times? . . . . .
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The other question that is raised is this: was the 1 p.m. ET time slot the determining factor last Sunday? Obviously no one can say for certain. There are valid arguments concerning coaching decisions and execution issues that factor into the loss.
Why did Lynn fly back west and then come back east? When he could have just kept the team on the east coast?

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have said it before, and will say it again.... the biggest factor standing inbetween the Chargers and a SB appearance is a NT.... Jamal Williams, Aubrayo Franklin, and/or.... whomever and whenever we've had a real run stopping, double team commanding, collapsing the pocket big man in the middle.... our defense, and run defense has been noticeably better.

think a second factor that I also brought up early in the season that contributed to our fall off, was that for some reason it could be interpreted that the development of Derwin James inside the box/closer to the line of scrimmage was seemingly more important than the success of the team, as can't believe that our D wouldn't have been better w/James playing @the single high and letting Jahleel play inside the box/closer to the LOS ??

and last, and some could say 'tis unrelated and/or out of control of the Chargers, was the fact that we played in a soccer stadium.... am a bit of a conspiracy theorist, and.... can't believe that in any way shape or form was/is that any kind of incentive to the NFL to help get the Chargers anywhere near the promised land.... @least anytime before Atlanta.
The defense has more holes to fill than many of us realize.

The article by CBS reporting about moving the game to where the Rams play was telling.
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What time do the Chargers practice?
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So to summarize the posts I put above, LTinabottle -- your post is completely and totally off base, unfounded, and irrelevant.

Not ONE of those teams had a single 10:00 am start to start their playoff runs. And not ONE of those teams had near the travel the Bolts did, either.

I repeat -- there is no reason the NFL had to give the Chargers such terrible time slots. I am at least grateful that even some of the East Coast sports pundits raised this issue. Including even the first time (the Baltimore game). Was it the difference? Who knows? But playing on a level playing field would have been nice . . . .
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