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View Poll Results: Line of Demarcation to Fire Norv Turner
Below .500, miss playoffs 59 0.27%
.500 or above, miss playoffs 89 0.40%
Make playoffs, go 0-1 in WC round 29 0.13%
Make playoffs, go 0-1 in Div. round 17 0.08%
Make playoffs, go 1-1 with loss in Div. round 11 0.05%
Lose in AFCCG 16 0.07%
Lose in SB 7 0.03%
Win SB 16 0.07%
Fire him now, season be damned! 171 0.77%
Never fire Norv, he's cuddly 21,663 98.12%
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Old 11-23-2011, 12:31 AM
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i have the solution! i can build this time machine and put Norv in charge of the re-build. we'd have like 2 or 3 Lombaris by now.

that would be easier than building another team like Marty's.
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Old 11-23-2011, 07:03 AM
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But like I said Perry, every fan of every fan base can use that exact same excuse. Imagine being a Seahawks fan and watching your team get jobbed in the SB.

I do not think bad calls from the ref have held him back from winning. Have we had some bad calls....absolutely. Have we had the chance to overcome those bad calls....absolutely. Do we let the bad calls turn out to be negative against us....sure seems like it.
Dude, come on. It was a very small but significant point. I'm not saying that Norv should be saved because of the bad calls, just that they are a part of the horrendous run of bad luck the Chargers have had, especially over the last two years, imo. And no, every team can not use the same excuse because every team has not been affected to the extent the Chargers have over the last two, heck, 5 years (bad calls AND injuries). That's just my opinion based on what I've seen. And bringing up Seattle only strengthens my point.

Another thing, you assume that I think Norv's job should be saved. I don't think that, unless the Chargers make a significant playoff run, at least. Unfair as I, underline I, think it is, it is what needs to be done if the Chargers don't.
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no. they are just excuses.

if it was valid, it would be a reason.

jeez....
Come on man, they're synonymous. Really, you're wasting a post with this and with "jeez" emphasis?
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LOl. Hilarious. That's two in a row.
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Old 11-23-2011, 07:09 AM
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I think the consensus is to offer Norv an extension because he's just had bad luck and that's bound to change.
And give him a raise but, as a part of the agreement, he must eat Lucky Charms cereal for the rest of his life (team supplied, of course).
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Old 11-23-2011, 07:10 AM
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balderdash! The chargers have been tough and physical on offense during the Ross years and during the schottenheimer years. For most of the rest of our history we've been a finesse team
The Chiefs, one in particular, said different. Not me. Look it up.
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This is what it comes down to in a simple way.


Norv Turner is good with talented teams.

Give him a talented team, 07,08,09 and he can win games and give us a chance in the post season.

Give him the team he has had last year and this year, and he won't succeed. Maybe we need to build a team like the 06 team.

History shows that Norv is good enough to get into the post season with a good team.

It seems to me like people expect Norv to over achieve with just an mediocre team. Because, Norv has shown that he can win with good teams. This reverts back to the G.M who didn't put together a team that can meet expectations, nor over achieve.

For some reasons, these fans look past this fact. If Norv Turner inherited Martys team, why not build another team like Martys?

Lets see. We don't have Wade Phillips. Start with that. Build something good from the ground up.

Norv made it farther than anything with Ted Cotrell. And people agree he was the WORST!
No, I think this year's guy makes Teddy C look good. Of course he had a healthy SM.
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Old 11-23-2011, 07:13 AM
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Build another team like Marty's? Except we don't have the key ingredient for that--Marty.

Dekal, posts like these are total nonsense.
No, you need a GM supplying impact players. What do you think Marty would have done last year and this? Before you answer look at '05. Btw, I gave Marty a pass for '05 for much the same reasons I defend Norv (BUT I DON'T THINK HE, NORV, SHOULD KEEP HIS JOB IF THE CHARGERS DON'T MAKE A SIGNIFCANT PLAYOFF RUN, IE AFCCG).
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Old 11-23-2011, 08:40 AM
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This is what it comes down to in a simple way.


Norv Turner is good with talented teams.

Give him a talented team, 07,08,09 and he can win games and give us a chance in the post season.

Give him the team he has had last year and this year, and he won't succeed. Maybe we need to build a team like the 06 team.

History shows that Norv is good enough to get into the post season with a good team.

It seems to me like people expect Norv to over achieve with just an mediocre team. Because, Norv has shown that he can win with good teams. This reverts back to the G.M who didn't put together a team that can meet expectations, nor over achieve.

For some reasons, these fans look past this fact. If Norv Turner inherited Martys team, why not build another team like Martys?

Lets see. We don't have Wade Phillips. Start with that. Build something good from the ground up.

Norv made it farther than anything with Ted Cotrell. And people agree he was the WORST!
You know you basically just admitted he is a bad coach...right?
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Old 11-23-2011, 08:47 AM
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Dude, come on. It was a very small but significant point. I'm not saying that Norv should be saved because of the bad calls, just that they are a part of the horrendous run of bad luck the Chargers have had, especially over the last two years, imo. And no, every team can not use the same excuse because every team has not been affected to the extent the Chargers have over the last two, heck, 5 years (bad calls AND injuries). That's just my opinion based on what I've seen. And bringing up Seattle only strengthens my point.

Another thing, you assume that I think Norv's job should be saved. I don't think that, unless the Chargers make a significant playoff run, at least. Unfair as I, underline I, think it is, it is what needs to be done if the Chargers don't.
Perry, unless you have watched every game from every team then you CANNOT make this comment. The only reason the refs have had such a negative impact on the Bolts in your eyes is because you have seen every Bolt game. If you watched every single game from every single team, you would realize just how bad the refs are.

I think it is pretty bad when a fan goes to defend a coach and uses bad calls from the refs as one of his bullets in defense.
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